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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim Storer</title>
		<link>http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/2008/03/03/lets-clean-up-the-web/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Storer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Kate. Back when I first got started in online content (2000), we had a very strict "second set of eyes" rule. Nothing hit the web without someone else seeing it. That slowly dissolved away and now it's pretty unlikely anyone reads content before it hits the web. What I find interesting is that blogs are supposed to be authentic and conversational and the last time I checked, I often mis-speak and use "um" and "ah" when talking. My thoughts aren't always completely cogent either... 

I like to think of blogging as a new language people need to learn. At the outset we need to support good first steps and that's it. Later we can expect more, but don't lose the intent of the medium. I have a six year old daughter who's learning to read and write and she often makes mistakes. But she's learning the language and making mistakes is part of the process. What would happen if I constantly corrected her spelling this early on? 

I applaud your student and her initiative in starting to blog. It may take time for her to "learn" this new language, but at least she's giving it a try!

Jim (@jstorerj)

ps... I just re-read this comment, checking for obvious errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kate. Back when I first got started in online content (2000), we had a very strict &#8220;second set of eyes&#8221; rule. Nothing hit the web without someone else seeing it. That slowly dissolved away and now it&#8217;s pretty unlikely anyone reads content before it hits the web. What I find interesting is that blogs are supposed to be authentic and conversational and the last time I checked, I often mis-speak and use &#8220;um&#8221; and &#8220;ah&#8221; when talking. My thoughts aren&#8217;t always completely cogent either&#8230; </p>
<p>I like to think of blogging as a new language people need to learn. At the outset we need to support good first steps and that&#8217;s it. Later we can expect more, but don&#8217;t lose the intent of the medium. I have a six year old daughter who&#8217;s learning to read and write and she often makes mistakes. But she&#8217;s learning the language and making mistakes is part of the process. What would happen if I constantly corrected her spelling this early on? </p>
<p>I applaud your student and her initiative in starting to blog. It may take time for her to &#8220;learn&#8221; this new language, but at least she&#8217;s giving it a try!</p>
<p>Jim (@jstorerj)</p>
<p>ps&#8230; I just re-read this comment, checking for obvious errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sent out letters and written posts which I have proofread but later still find errors. I later go back to correct them. If I notice a lot of errors, I may suggest that corrections are made for easier reading and clearer communication but I would want to be careful that I didn't stifly creativity. I feel that as teachers, if we make mistakes, we are modeling that we are human and humans make mistakes. We are also modeling that it is okay to do things even if we make a mistake because "doing" is a good thing. Errors should not be terrors. We should be encouraging creativity and enthusiasm when people share their ideas. If the objective is to exchange ideas and not pass a grammar/spelling test then the person has achieved their goal and I would be happy with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sent out letters and written posts which I have proofread but later still find errors. I later go back to correct them. If I notice a lot of errors, I may suggest that corrections are made for easier reading and clearer communication but I would want to be careful that I didn&#8217;t stifly creativity. I feel that as teachers, if we make mistakes, we are modeling that we are human and humans make mistakes. We are also modeling that it is okay to do things even if we make a mistake because &#8220;doing&#8221; is a good thing. Errors should not be terrors. We should be encouraging creativity and enthusiasm when people share their ideas. If the objective is to exchange ideas and not pass a grammar/spelling test then the person has achieved their goal and I would be happy with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Olson</title>
		<link>http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/2008/03/03/lets-clean-up-the-web/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taylor - 

As you can see in my post, I agree with you :-) Honestly, I'd rather have a student blogger with horrible mechanics and spelling than have the student NOT blog. It's kind of like saying students shouldn't read unless they're really good at it, right? Thanks for making me think.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor - </p>
<p>As you can see in my post, I agree with you <img src='http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Honestly, I&#8217;d rather have a student blogger with horrible mechanics and spelling than have the student NOT blog. It&#8217;s kind of like saying students shouldn&#8217;t read unless they&#8217;re really good at it, right? Thanks for making me think&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, since I'm being honest. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, since I&#8217;m being honest. <img src='http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, on spelling I totally agree there's little excuse for that since there is spell check AND myriad (is that how you spell that? jj) online dictionaries.

I STILL would NEVER EVER EVER EVER discourage writing from a student. Just maybe guide &#38; help with the spell checker.

And listen. I'm an ENGLISH teacher -- I notice E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G -- also used to work at the college paper as both Associate Managing Editor and Copy Editor. I KNOW the rules, but I have found that EXCESSIVE concern for them SQUELCHES good ideas, which are ~sometimes to my chagrin, but I hate that pedantic part of myself, hence the lack of caps on my blog, but only within the tilde!~ infinitely more important. 

Never, never, never stop someone from writing because of mechanics. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, on spelling I totally agree there&#8217;s little excuse for that since there is spell check AND myriad (is that how you spell that? jj) online dictionaries.</p>
<p>I STILL would NEVER EVER EVER EVER discourage writing from a student. Just maybe guide &amp; help with the spell checker.</p>
<p>And listen. I&#8217;m an ENGLISH teacher &#8212; I notice E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G &#8212; also used to work at the college paper as both Associate Managing Editor and Copy Editor. I KNOW the rules, but I have found that EXCESSIVE concern for them SQUELCHES good ideas, which are ~sometimes to my chagrin, but I hate that pedantic part of myself, hence the lack of caps on my blog, but only within the tilde!~ infinitely more important. </p>
<p>Never, never, never stop someone from writing because of mechanics. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taylor, you're hilarious :-) Ok, maybe not prescriptivist grammarians, but how about horrendous spelling? Or complete and utter incorrect word use? As you've seen in my writing I'm no grammar queen, but shouldn't we at least try to make our writing legible? If an English teacher is blogging, shouldn't she demonstrate SOME concern for spelling? I guess that's more my focus - spelling........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, you&#8217;re hilarious <img src='http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Ok, maybe not prescriptivist grammarians, but how about horrendous spelling? Or complete and utter incorrect word use? As you&#8217;ve seen in my writing I&#8217;m no grammar queen, but shouldn&#8217;t we at least try to make our writing legible? If an English teacher is blogging, shouldn&#8217;t she demonstrate SOME concern for spelling? I guess that&#8217;s more my focus - spelling&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, not almost anything because you have to know the rules to break them effectively. But I still think the teacher that would be *appalled* rather than ABSOLUTELY THRILLED that a student is writing regularly has a serious issue. Bigger than spelling and grammar mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, not almost anything because you have to know the rules to break them effectively. But I still think the teacher that would be *appalled* rather than ABSOLUTELY THRILLED that a student is writing regularly has a serious issue. Bigger than spelling and grammar mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOWN with prescriptivist grammarians! Down down down. I did find one TINY TINY error, but I'm not going to say because I still say DOWN with the teacher who would discourage a student from writing her IDEAS because of GRAMMAR!!!!

Hasn't that ~ah-hem~ English teacher read Vonnegut, or Faulkner, or King, or Shakespeare ~can you say d.o.u.b.l.e. n.e.g.a.t.i.v.e~

I write fragments ALL THE TIME ON PURPOSE. 

I'm not saying anything goes.... just almost anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOWN with prescriptivist grammarians! Down down down. I did find one TINY TINY error, but I&#8217;m not going to say because I still say DOWN with the teacher who would discourage a student from writing her IDEAS because of GRAMMAR!!!!</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t that ~ah-hem~ English teacher read Vonnegut, or Faulkner, or King, or Shakespeare ~can you say d.o.u.b.l.e. n.e.g.a.t.i.v.e~</p>
<p>I write fragments ALL THE TIME ON PURPOSE. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying anything goes&#8230;. just almost anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane -

Thanks much for the input. I agree about not criticizing without being able to offer input in private and have good relationship, but sometimes I cringe at the thought that someone could be reading something of mine and thinking it could be improved but not saying anthing. I guess it's the same as any other kind of advice - parenting included :-) Have to weigh risks of NOT saying anything with risk of hurting feelings, etc. For example, if you know the work is being viewed by an administrator, or someone who is influential in a teacher's career, and the error is HUGE, I think sometimes it's worth emailing the author? Obviously I'm still conflicted on this :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane -</p>
<p>Thanks much for the input. I agree about not criticizing without being able to offer input in private and have good relationship, but sometimes I cringe at the thought that someone could be reading something of mine and thinking it could be improved but not saying anthing. I guess it&#8217;s the same as any other kind of advice - parenting included <img src='http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Have to weigh risks of NOT saying anything with risk of hurting feelings, etc. For example, if you know the work is being viewed by an administrator, or someone who is influential in a teacher&#8217;s career, and the error is HUGE, I think sometimes it&#8217;s worth emailing the author? Obviously I&#8217;m still conflicted on this <img src='http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dmcordell</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmcordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate,

I read and re-read my blog numerous times before I do a posting, and I go back in and edit if I find an error later.

On the other hand, I've had to grit my teeth and bear it when I make a mistake in a reply to someone else - it bothers me, but I know I have to move on (though I do occasionally delete a Tweet with errors).

If someone asks me to proofread for them, I do it gladly - have done so for a number of our staff members. I don't think I'd criticize a blog posting without being invited, unless I knew the author fairly well and could make suggestions in private.

I realize that thoughts sometimes race ahead of fingers, and no one is perfect. I enjoy reading your blog and can't recall any huge mistakes, but if I spot anything, I'll let you know. By DM, of course.

diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>I read and re-read my blog numerous times before I do a posting, and I go back in and edit if I find an error later.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;ve had to grit my teeth and bear it when I make a mistake in a reply to someone else - it bothers me, but I know I have to move on (though I do occasionally delete a Tweet with errors).</p>
<p>If someone asks me to proofread for them, I do it gladly - have done so for a number of our staff members. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d criticize a blog posting without being invited, unless I knew the author fairly well and could make suggestions in private.</p>
<p>I realize that thoughts sometimes race ahead of fingers, and no one is perfect. I enjoy reading your blog and can&#8217;t recall any huge mistakes, but if I spot anything, I&#8217;ll let you know. By DM, of course.</p>
<p>diane</p>
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